Naartjies and oranges

I wrote this 2 months ago and did not publish it, for some reason. It’s possible that a friend was here on holiday and we had a similar discussion which got really intense and while I should worry about the guilting and shaming of me, I worried about whether she’s depressed (and would be more depressed reading this) after I offered perspective on her own practices that deviated from the mythical purity of veganism. White veganism makes one hold or have shame and guilt around certain needs while consuming and taking food pics to contradict that shame and guilt.

I realised a bit more what POS people are with this social media citrus uproar (as Lawrence Carter-Long put it), people are still being ableist about this 2 months on.

I already consume little (within a much more limited range than vegans) but I was shamed by former friends who, I then argued, consume more, smoke etc. I’ve struggled a lot with self-esteem, then vegan self-esteem (guilt of not doing enough, I just made the word up) that I wouldn’t have it. These two white vegans shamed me for menstruating “unsutainably” while one of them had a sewing machine and could actually do something (which they’d do as work) instead (for which I offered to pay her), but shaming was easier. I must add: not everyone can use menstrual cups. Bodies don’t work the one and only trve way you learned in biology (or even medicine, the students I knew have been as ignorant as some doctors).

When disabled folks say eradicating something is not possible bc [insert needs], people would shame them, while being the ones who are consumerist with their wants: using loads of coconut water from Thailand for competitive athletic performance not health, it’s got a label and aluminium. Or them using all sorts of coconut things in a land of no coconuts. Or using processed moringa package wrapped bc it’s the latest superfood trend (which exploits labour and encourages monoculture in my country too, ok? As in it’s local to me, the state is white supremacist af & at the every least, if you had needed to remove those tinytiny twigs from the leaves yourselves, you’d never consume it). Or all the superfoods (probably unnecessary in their diets) and all the packaged meals they buy, serve or offer.

[An old local séga about moringa, and its dishes by working-class/ economically oppressed people, the dishes Marclaine sang about are vegan btw]

Wholefoods is probably targetting a class and race but other stores, if they did this, could cater to a need. Whereas the trend of white people making raw things with coconut oil or paleo things with packaged and imported coconut flour is a trend. When we use coconuts (not harvested by monkeys here, and in 2016 there has been 1 human death in the harvesting, reportedly an accident with the ladder and a rare occurence) the only waste is the natural husk but things get made by people: mulch, and since forever, coconut brooms with which in Mauritius, we all clean our yards. Bottled coconut water is a new thing here but no label, recyclable and lightweight. Contrast with glass bottles and the weight that gets shipped from Thailand to Capetown probably by air bc though it’s not refrigerated it’s shelf life wouldn’t permit several months shipping surely. Or worse, there is cling-wrapped half-husked green coconuts at PicknPay and Wellness Warehouse. Please let’s have a 2nd social media uproar on this bc this is actually bad and cling-wrapped (several layers) is not recyclable (unlike the Wholefoods plastic tub?).

The problem is often the branding, that label may not be recyclable but hey, like your stickers on your fruits from the market! I used to collect a lot more of display plastic from fruits as a kid! An uncle sells fruits and kept them for us kids. This reminds that maybe you don’t see all the waste your food produces and you don’t care. In contrast, it’s easy to target vulnerable people who are visible, or outspoken about a need or struggle.

         An illustration of how much invisible waste is produced by an ‘Apollo dan Bol’

The outrage was about naartjie or ‘mandarine’ (tangerine), it doesn’t seem hard to peel, to me who occasionally have dexterity injuries but I never tried then (intolerant to citrus), and it wouldn’t make a difference if I had – if it is hard for others that is what is relevant.

Someone also tweeted that they have citrus peel allergy. What would be preferable, gloves (if even a solution, non recyclable afaik) or biodegradable recyclable containers? It’s not up to you but to the person.


Tokenism and animal whites

This post is my conclusion and reflections about my being tokenised as a disabled non-black vegan of colour (the only disabled and the only POC in that process where there were no indigenous, black or mixed people either) by the South African Vegan Society (SAVS) director who moved to iKapa and seemed to take all the decisions end 2011/start of 2012, I witnessed him doing so and being allowed to do it. I may owe some people I involved in the One Struggle 2012 conference (OS2012) an apology; then everyone who knew the SAVS director other than through the web, as I did, owes me one too. This is also relevant to the annual South African Anarchist Bookfair (pka Capetown; the same animal whites activists, aka white AR activists, organised it as far as I have seen before 2015).

What entitled white people entity don’t pass the blame onto IBPOC for anything that goes wrong? Tokenism is convenient, as is the apathy around it. In this case (I had been the only POC engaged in the movement for some 5 years so the first fact was unsurprising) I was the only non-white, and the only one who brought up access, the focus was intersectionality but accessibility was deliberately not taken seriously by them. Those who know me know I’d have tried my best but when white people have an agenda, it goes as they planned.

I got threatened by the white man in question against speaking of him, and white women involved, who knew, didn’t care. The largely-racist iKapa vegan community will perhaps blame me for calling out someone they consider valuable or put on a pedestal. I’m neither of those things (I’m the only one who calls out shit since someone has to do it, that is surely undesirable). By racist I mean esp. the post-racial SAVS directors (of 2012) and other animal whites, I’m thinking of the animal whites I interacted with over email, Jo’burg-based SAVS directors whose input were always factored into the organising process, delaying a process for an “intersectional” event in iKapa, the irony masked by the contribution of design work by them.

I can’t travel, unlike white AR/vegans I knew who gave me no information that would make me be skeptical of SAVS – the only vegan NGO deemed “intersectional”. Until 2011ish the SAVS was an “ally” theatre based in Johannesburg. So when some of the directors moved to my city, while getting to know them, I accepted to co-organise OS2012 which was branded “intersectional” before the slightest attempt of including an indigenous, black or non-white person in their organising. Of course on their directors’ mailing list, one couldn’t be sure whom one is dealing with until one realises all the respondents must be white and indeed they were. In any country, opposing anti-indigeneity and anti-blackness should’ve been at the heart of their (alleged) anti-racist concerns.

Some speakers did the indigenous/black-centering work for them or tried – I never got to hear some speakers, I heard one indigenous/mixed POC left in anger after her talk, I don’t know why, I didn’t hear back from her. I never had access to videos SAVS made of the talks (for a conference that I put voluntary work in, ironic? and let’s forget decency..) though I’d remained friends with one co-organiser a while. The white post-racial SAVS I experienced only sometimes put on an ally costume, and before I found that out, they’d also asked me to join their board of directors. So I asked these directors in my city about their prior process to determine if it had been a fair offer (to a non-black foreigner), the white man and unofficial/only spokesperson, said no one comes to their meetings or have interest in co-directing, he mentioned a meeting I hadn’t heard about – this was strange considering Capetownians mostly used a forum I founded and moderate (then thus, I was reading every post as I still tend to) to promote such events in our city. He added that most who have worked with him (the ones I saw or encountered were white women) burn out mysteriously. I very naively took his word for it, I did some SAVS and The Missing Bookshelf (his personal business though it sells A Breeze Harper’s Sistah Vegan so one tends to think it’s not so bad or that well, maybe I’d get to read the book at last, seeing I can’t afford it financially) market stalls in 2011, coming across a few complaints (high SAVS membership fees with the promise of T-shirts that people never receive).

As an unemployed disabled vegan not-on-welfare and being aware of this, even I got conned into paying membership. With other Cape colony AR/AA organisations, there had never been pressure, it was tacitly understood that some of us can merely give our time and pay the odd event entry or rarely buy a DVD or book, very rarely because we’d borrow. When I explained this, I was told, as a ‘counterargument’ (of a few which were personal rants of his against these other NGOs’ chairs, white too), that OS2012 would be free only for SAVS members, that they had not worked out the entry fee yet; it turns out it was free after all and I ended up co-organising it. As unpaid work (as it goes in our part of the world), I organised some speakers and local connections, the 2 co-organisers I knew being “new in Capetown” but of course they did know people, the others weren’t new; this being an intersectional conference they had to use the only person with an intersectional life in the process and say they were struggling or didn’t know many people was a way for them to get access to my resources. The 3 white organisers echoed all of the white man’s decisions, 2 weeks before the event he shifted the event timetable so one speaker (from a minority gender identity organisation) was forced to decline and another, a single-mother, was allocated a time without checking with her, they were white women but the only WOC stormed out of the event. Otherwise there was to be a panel debate at the end of all talks but the white man who decided the timetable without confirming with any speakers, put himself as the last speaker, when he was available the whole day and someone else was usually allocated all the work. The white organisers started to have meetings at short-notice and knowingly during times I was unavailable for health reasons, claiming they forgot I was when I was available the rest of those same days. It became impossible not to quit and I apologised to speakers I was dealing with, simply warning them that someone else will take over all my communications.

My name had been affiliated with OS2012 on social media, was removed and of course not a word was said on that, at least not that I knew. In any case it tarnishes my image to be associated with them, perhaps less so to seem to have been unreliably associated if IBPOCs know what kind of whites they are. Aside from another director who was well-aware of all that went on, another organisation’s chair had seen but probably not heard details when him & I argue for a while in hushed voices outside the event when he was invested in gaslighting me. I should’ve long spoken of what happened but I had received threats by the white man in charge of the opinions of all organisers and SAVS directors, so that I would not even tell anyone else in the vegan community and in even my own communities, e.g. he had seduced a close disabled friend of mine. In the end I had almost no one to talk to about this in my circle of friends & vegans that got decimated.

Discussions around anti-blackness/ anti-indigineity were had been first hurdle: they were going to make money off what they deemed to be a non-issue (but it was colourism & I then deemed them to be disinterested in money-making, discussions proved it was not ignorance on their part. The whitey already knew my views and stressed that identity politics should be screwed, linking Jarach in his defense and the other directors supported him or remained silent. It isn’t Jarach I linked, have a read whether or not you’re familiar. By the way do these animals whites/anarchists always use a black or brown woman’s image in their event promotions and what do the black or brown women have to say about it? – The latter never seem to be co-organisers or decision-makers, neither are men of colour or intersex folks. In 2012 they featured a living black woman, I did try to ask but I don’t know who she was or if she was aware that she was on an event poster for free presumably. Then this with 2 non-white folks, was the event promotion poster graphic (uncredited), it was changed immediately before the 2014 Anarchist Bookfair:

2014 cta bookfair

Ironically, it seems a bit like the token that gets discarded at the last moment. Access obviously needs serious consideration (this is US-based – they were happy to use my words in event promotion (and in fact used it for their future events like the Anarchist Bookfair, the last being by the same enabled animal whites) but they couldn’t even do something as simple as chalk out disabled parking at a venue that had none and was adjacent to a busy public beach, while the event was on the weekend. There was also a “joke” that the white man in charge of the other directors knew sign language (when I asked what languages he spoke, with a plain face he told this “joke” I couldn’t tell was one until we talked about access needs weeks later!) but in reality no one knew SASL and no interpreter was arranged. We all know about the fake interpreter (that was much later) but what’s a privileged white guy’s excuse to make such a “joke” or pretend he knew sign language? Or did he know a deceased member of my family was Deaf and he used it as part of his image crafting with me?

One of their subsequent Anarchist bookfairs was co-organised by an acquaintance of mine and to her, I reiterated what I had said before, even offered to send access guidelines (bearing in mind access is a basic need, this is about inclusion and not to promote their free event). They only specified in the event after that that the venue has a few steps at the entrance besides being wheelchair accessible(!!).

The erasure of me then gaslighting, in 2012, had also been about access, they wanted to use the “ally” talk only, threatening me was thus ok. For no reason, I was blocked from SAVS’ facebook for months and tacitly banned from the restaurant they took over, I was uncomfortable going to any events where I would meet that director – the man who threatened me in Feb ’12, lest I speak of what happened around the ‘intersectional’ OS2012? They’d also not refund my membership which I wanted donated to a worthwhile animal sanctuary or an activist.

It was essentially an event by the SAVS who used and discarded the only disabled POC available (and the only POC even) to avoid providing access (not for me but generally) amidst an event they still called “intersectional” and this may be unrelated but after postponing this blogpost for months, by mistake it was published very briefly, no views (perhaps an email subscriber) and I’m trying to recover from being hacked. It is unclear whether I have been threatened about speaking of my experience with them, or for instance speak anything “about him” (his words) so e.g. I couldn’t then remark that in 2015 he was capitalising on the #RhodesMustFall Black students-led movement, he reposted a photo of a comment left by a racist on a board on the protest grounds. He was of course criticising the racist’s statement that Apartheid is over when months sooner he had no qualms making money from or reselling ‘I benefitted from Apartheid’ T-shirts, which his business bolo’bolo kept praising. In the South African vegan or anarchist movement, some who work/ed alongside him can see what he is doing but they are perfectly fine with it or they think that something else he does compensates. I had no physical spoons to debate this within the forum I moderate (with no help whatsoever), but he had the nerve to keep promoting his events and trying to explicitly recruit volunteers from there, I recall the event was at and co-organised with white UCT (University of Capetown) or the vegan academics there who have a history.

I was unclearly told the SAVS has now changed or that there’s an additional person involved but all animal whites (especially those representing oppressive agents) have responsibilities. However they’d see other animal whites tokenising IBPOC or abusing of my time and energy like 269life scum, and won’t say a thing and they’ll even insist for me to promote their traps then have a shot at gaslighting when I refuse to be on the fence about them or to be on their side. Animal whites suck by happy affiliations with scum. If one isn’t happily affiliated or being a sycophant to scum, I guess they’re not an ‘animal white’ then, they’re a white vegan.

I want to disengage more and more from //Hui !Gaeb’s animal whites and others who don’t realise that oppressive mechanisms need them to polish their image. I don’t get why you need a McDonaldisation of the vegan movement and why someone wanting decentralised grassroots efforts in that environment is called divisive. In fact I want to disengage with the maintream AR movement worldwide that is predominantly white. I saw an academic piece by a white academic vegan it seems to be saying that POC ought to be part of the movement and I’m yet to read it so I’m not expressing my thoughts but can already tell that it’s not for him to say what POC ought to or not do (sure I think he said it’s for other countries and it was the abstract but it’s very clear this is how it comes across and those countries are similar, in fact the animal whites are all big buddies, like this academic and others are buddies with my oppressor) and both movements referred to are problematic. It seems also to be erasing the fact that a Pan-African movement for example may have a strong ecological and pro-non-human-animal and vegan component.

By the way here is a real example where POC is more active than white AR/vegans. I’m still trying to figure out what to do with ‘my’ regional forum, ending up organically as the last co-founder 8 years later but vegans’ refusal to look at white privilege drains me. To be fair it should be a place where non-white vegans feel free to say anything, in other words post or participate fully. This seems not possible. So I was the only vegan of colour and I was once someone who put vegan before colour because it was significant and important to come together for the animals and to start an AR community besides the NGOs in 2007 with 2 women and a man – 2 Afrikaaners and a fellow foreigner, whites. We had met fellow vegans for the first time and we were the ones who initiate stuff. None of us talked about race or whiteness, when we were all targetted because of my colour etc. we just dealt with it with no analysis or reflection on what had happened. I mentioned one incident in the last self-care blogpost, white academics Pickover and Best also did not view it from a critical angle. They reported what I needed to know from an incident, white friends allied with me, at the time I didn’t expect anything more. If I refer to that time I refer to being demonised at UCT or my speaking up when a white AR chairperson who will get enormous reach, posts colourism from an anti-Black and casteist Gandhi (there still isn’t space to talk about the latter part, I wouldn’t bring it up when there are other obvious issues that are more comprehensible). The issue that ought to have been obvious is anti-blackness and that the white person promoting it is given space to justify herself. As she was the ally to animals she could’ve rephrased it without anti-blackness and said Gandhi (who wasn’t vegan anyway) inspired her.

That time was years before whites allegedly got educated through #BlackLivesMatter and #RememberMarikana because apparently they cannot learn from their immediate environment.

In the days of #FeesWillFall and #DecoloniseLabour I have seen more white crap from the ally theatre continue to break our spaces and my spirit in a so-called community. Someone who seems nice was doing it with me in private just the day before, a rhetorical question I asked then: does one learn nothing from “allyship” to other movements? I was moderating that forum animal whites overuse and as usual I was straightforward and thought it’ll be easy. Yet white privileged shit was dumped on me (I’d think deliberately) and I waste time trying to clean it off or explain basic things in good faith, thinking they do want to ally. This at least reminded me that a former director of the SAVS supports PeTA very much, encourages sexual violence against women, and engages in politics of substitution. This fact got hidden I assume (not the article, which was right after the conference where she’d learned nothing from feminists) and she, a white AR woman, was a speaker at OS2012 when there wasn’t enough slots for others (transgenderism; disability and other issues weren’t even considered, no one could, say, help me present) and there was at least 3 other straight white vegans speaking on intersections with AR. One using Black women as props it appeared.

Of course it’s not black and white thanks to surely, among other things, the saturation of the vegan movement they bask in, some vegans of colour have been as apathetic as white people I thought I knew, the latter when they witnessed tokenism all I could see is them cutting ties with me; the former it was when I spoke out against racism, sexism or ableism in the movement (do animal whites leave them a choice if they want to be in the vegan movement?) or simply because of religious divergence which is no different to my experience with Lesley Dove(sp?) et al.

I started this post saying this is a conclusion, this is not a space to start a pseudo debate (in their defense). This is the end of discussions or lack thereof or their passive-aggressiveness of the last 3 years. This is me speaking at last and this is me not enabling their white crap, and because if gaslighting happened in my face as if I may have only half a brain, I wonder what went on behind my back. What this is not is an invitation to bring any white crap here, or in places I moderate. Support or stories of similar experiences from IBPOC are welcome. And I’d request that this not be shared with ANY white people.

*IBPOC – Indigenous, Black and People of Colour.

Let’s be ants together…

Brilliant piece: (and I looooove ants!)

radical access mapping project

A bridge is about connection, meeting, a crossing, enabling, something shifting and supporting; something solid or fleeting, stone, steel, rope, wood, ideas, actual bodies …

… or even those oft-praised notions of “community”, “solidarity”, “alliance”.

To build bridges is to use materials and flesh and ideas to get to one another, to reach each other across a gulf, to risk crossing via sometimes scarily rickety means, to put our very bodies on the line, and to learn together how to reinforce them and to build better ones so it won’t have to be so hard for the next ones.

If you want to build a bridge with me as a disabled person, then let’s do that. i’m totally into it, and i am too sore, too tired, too sick of waiting for people to even get to the shoreline of acknowledgement that there is even a divide to cross at…

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Language liberation

Liberate your language by Vegina is a great post which focuses on oppressive language use and speciesist ideology. It ties in with the ableist language issues I blogged about last week. By liberating communication, we liberate thinking and the way behaviour plays out, in my view.

[…] it is impossible to discuss speciesist language without also discussing racist and sexist language, as they are all interlinked by a prevailing structure of inequality that operates within most institutions, belief systems, governments, and cultures globally.


If you missed my last guest blog on Viva La Vegan, here it is! 


Through slang terms, idioms, insults, and standardized grammatical constructs, language reflects current social inequalities. It is packed with the vestiges of a culture’s history of domination, exploitation, and discrimination. In this way, language not only reflects inequality but also has the potential to oppress. In using problematic language, we reinscribe abuses and inequalities. However, by simply not using such language, we can free our own words of exploitation, forcing others to confront these issues when they hear us speak.

In this post I will focus on how language oppresses (and how we can liberate that language) as it applies to nonhuman animals and speciesist ideology. Importantly though, as I will describe below, it is impossible to discuss speciesist language without also discussing racist and sexist language, as they are all interlinked by a prevailing…

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269 tattoo campaigner says humans don’t need rights

I got invited to an event by a friend on Facebook, and cringed at the term ‘disable’ used as follows:

We are not interested in popularist Kony-style campaigns – this event is about committing yourself for life to actions that disable the animal holocaust.

It was a worldwide tattoo event “in solidarity” with an activist who got branded with hot iron. I tried wading through the long description (which began with biblical quotes) and didn’t see a link 5 long paragraphs down to the 269life site. I thought I’d click on one of seemingly many FB friends’ profiles at some less busy point in my life to learn more. I found nothing at all browsing a few ‘269’ profile photos for captions or comments. The intent to find more info about the event or the movement before I get into any potential debate over ableist language is not because the background is relevant, all vegans are more or less familiar with speciesist language, but because people tend to detract from criticism instead of taking it constructively.

There are many suitable and inoffensive words one could use such as ‘end’ or ‘dismantle’ the animal holocaust, it is all the more strange to use ‘disable’ as holocaust automatically makes one think of the 200,000-250,000 disabled victims of the Holocaust. The movement is trying to get people to make the link between the Holocaust and the massacre of animals on a larger scale. Many Jews prefer the term Shoah because ‘holocaust’ comes from the Greek word holókauston – an animal sacrifice offered to a god in which the whole animal (olos) is completely burnt (kaustos). The term was, in English, for massacres where many lives are lost. Whether or not the 269 campaign wishes to oppress the disabled, disability also affects non-humans. In the industrial complex of their massacre, they’re probably the first to be killed, to forego the expense of dealing with an injured animal whose life has no value, whether farm animal or race horse, or pet. To ‘disable’ in the animal exploiting industry very much means to ‘end’ or to’destroy’. Our speciesist culture constructed our language – so why refuse to change it?

Not a likely sight. In industries, the pig would be dead as soon as it finds itself diseased or unable to stand in a crate or on a farm. Image source: Barbara McClure.

It’s a very simple procedure to edit Facebook events, I gave them options on their event page (which has been deleted). Vegans surely want animal exploitation to end not ‘be redefined’. As anyone, I’m making assumptions on what they ideally mean. Here are synonyms from which has a longer list but these sum it up:

alter, change, modify – cause to change; make different…
lay up – disable or confine, as with an illness…
nobble – disable by drugging; “nobble the race horses”
pinion – cut the wings off (of birds)

restrain, confine , […]

I used the interwebs which is ‘free’ and straight-forward, I don’t have another dictionary and even 2nd language English speakers, like me, often use the online dictionaries out of convenience. I left two of the above decriptions’ full versions so you’d see how it’s also clearly speciesist to use the oppressive term, in case they wish to pinion or nobble the animal massacre. Likewise, it is ableist to mean ‘destroy the capacities’ or whatever they mean because ableism is ignored by most, and ableism hurts.

I’m the only one I’m seeing thus far criticising ableist language that I’ve come across in the last week, maybe it’s to do with the percentage of disabled people and allies in the movement. Maybe you put them off with all your ableist language and inability to listen to other perspectives when criticised, Movement. If we want to afford animals the same respect we afford humans, how can we refuse to respect humans and perpetuate oppression?

On the campaign itself: Firstly I would never go google/YT something about someone’s tattoo. Even if a tattoo cost near to nothing, to donate to/wards a calf sanctuary or if the intent is to promote the 269 movement’s words, to collectively buy stickers/buttons from their webshop (scratch that idea and please read comments for the latest – they are proudly and deliberately misanthropist) could’ve been an option.


Update after trying to bring up word-usage with the organiser/s and getting insulted today, 10 days later, I realised that the event isn’t over, it’s rolling on to December then to January. Instead of discussing this or dismissing what I’m saying respectfully (NB no one replied to my older post or edited the event description in 10 days), Sasha-Vegan Cannibal (AKA Sasha Boojor) first had a laugh and engaged only with a Skye Hollywood in the thread, mostly speaking about me in 3rd person:

“rolling on the floor atm … this is too much!!! fucking animals are been raped and butchered alive and shes complaining about some shit like that!!! just get lost pls
i dare her to go on a human anti rape event and post some stupid shit like that! i dare her! the nerve on her! unreal!”

I wouldn’t ever think that ‘fucking’ is a suitable adjectives for tortured animals, unless the person saying it has Tourette’s maybe… He then finally addressed me (I don’t know about what exactly):

“nope none for self involved speciesist scum such as your self […] saw old on the brink of death mothers which can hardly stand or even hold thyre heads up to look at me as i was passing by… so ye i could give 2 shits about this stupid shit you preaching”

His only responses (now deleted but you’ll find plenty of similar examples on their page at every hint of critical thinking) of ridicule followed by violent (verbal) opposition is something all vegans are familiar with in 2012, we’ve all watched Earthlings or have at least heard of Schopenhauer’s 3 stages of truth-processing and most vegan advocates have experienced this first-hand on trying to confront someone on their speciesist lifestyle or simply when being confronted, ridiculed or attacked because someone feels threatened by one’s mere vegan existence.

To someone on their event asking questions because she was in two minds and had restrictions about wearing visible ink at her job, Ashley Vegan-YogaGeek added something about avoiding overthinking: ‘Don’t think, just do.’ (which is probably the full Nike slogan too!), so I have to wonder, what is this, a cult?

Answer: Very possibly! I doubt most even read this (although linked in the very same thread of our discussion) because Ashley just said to Sasha “pls End this convo. It’s bringing bad energy […] Enough low frequency chat, let’s raise the earths vibration right now.”

Sadly, events like 269life’s are at the forefront of the ‘movement’.

Vegan style YT vid

The ‘Gangnam style’ parody video I refer to is on Youtube. It seemed like a good enough publicity or a shareworthy vid up until a point

Ableist language is not only a put-off, it hurts people . Is it okay for a vegan to hurl ‘idiot’ as an insult when it isn’t okay for anyone? See the word profile I linked for all the contradictions therein. In addition, this is not a live video with an accidental insult usage, it entailed a script, planning, acting, shooting, editing and sadly most media these days seem to get made or organised by people who have, and don’t examine, their privileges. I will refer to Henya as the video links to her facebook page, Henya Mania.

Ironically, Henya’s answer about the plant sentience question in the video (where she calls the questioner ‘idiot’ to mean uninformed, then physically attacks him somewhat) is uninformed, thus a long and terribly boring debate is going on on Youtube, and either carnists are saying the same nonsense over and over, or there are bots with YT accounts.

The question on plant sentience is common but not at all reasonable, it’s as nonsensical as asking ‘why don’t you just kill yourself?’. Animals are sentient (including fish and anyone with a nervous system, clearly). Supposing we want to consider the sentient death toll of harvesting plants (land use, insect death, harm to small animals and waterways): all animals eat plants, the corpses that carnists chew on did, as do we (carnists included or they’ll get very ill sooner rather than later) – our digestive system has evolved for and requires sustainance in the form of plant food. We get everything we need from plants and bacteria, there is no synthetic zero-carbon footprint alternative. If we were allowed to rape and kill humans daily, would it be ethical to do it? Of course not and simply because it’s wrong. If we use the army as an analogy to speciesists and carnists, vegans are arguably like the tax-payers who have no choice but to pay tax to the government, like we all do.

Can homo-sapiens ever evolve to eat flesh or corpse? They sure can evolve to stop the nonsense.

Human digestive tracts have never adapted to eating meat even if we have ‘evolved’ doing that since the Flintstones, hence the abundance of health problems associated with corpse-eating. If we were allowed to rape and kill humans daily but this would affect our minds in the short or long run, can it ever be ethical to do so? Of course not and simply because it would be wrong towards others.

Like the film-makers (I was told – when someone arguing against what I’m saying said “If you’re so against oppression, why do you not consider that English is not their 1st language’), English is my 2nd language, I’ve only really been learning it in the last 10 years; to some extent online e.g. I got criticised for a slur I didn’t know was one. Meaning gets redefined by culture (seen that word profile I linked above?), media (in this case also by the film The Idiots/Idioten) and by people who use language (now via social media, their video , to some extent, but can we please avoid triggering and oppressive words in our anti-oppression movement? Somehow people don’t get this simple issue, I was told by someone defending the vid that “it’s meant to be fun” but can’t you both care and have fun? I won’t get bogged down in all the carnist-like fallacies vegans have dished out but how can the ‘vegan’ movement allow itself to be socially unaware and insensitive? If you think I’m over-generalising, more on  ableist language that does not bother a few 100 hardcore vegans, English-1st language speaking friends of mine too. I made a note earlier in the event’s ‘declines’ .

Do we simply not see ableism and ableist language in the way speciesists don’t see speciesism and speciesist language? If we can all see the latter, how can we refuse to pay attention to the former, or sexism and sexist language, racism and racist language? To prove a point the latter event organiser/s insulted me gratuitously and many people backed them up or encouraged them or whatever it means to ‘like’ a comment where someone insults another.